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п eп я я п a devil and the poet.
Evgenie EVTUSHENKO: "I very much like wife Masha".
Evgenie Evtushenko was poeticheski and notorious. In
To 78th year in the Crimean observatory have opened a minor planet and
Have secretly named it Evtushenko. About the "zvezdnosti" he has learnt
Recently. The poet likes to travel. On Amazon posed before
The chamber with an anaconda on shoulders also smiled. It such. Just
Has returned from New York. Trace wife Masha with sons has arrived.
In the years it looks very youngly because it is convinced:
"The love and art are equal, for only they win time".
- Evgenie Aleksandrovich, apparently, you became now "to Russian
The American "? Be not afraid, that new generation of Russian to you on
Evening in Polytechnical will not come on July, 18th? You at them already, that
Is called, not on hearing...
- (Blows up.) I am simply shaken by your question! I remained
Russian both in the opinion of Americans, and in the opinion of all who reads that -
Or. What do I do in America? First, there I have finished the anthology
Russian poetry of the XX-th century "Stanza of a century" and the anthology of Russian poetry in
Three volumes "In the beginning there was a word". Over its drawing up and transfer
I worked 20 years. It is my most important work of a life. What it
In the image me can perceive "Russian American"?
- In the USA at you - residence permit or citizenship?
- At me Russian passport! Months seven I take there.
I teach at two universities: one - in Oklahoma, another - in
nju - York. I do not live an is elite-bohemian life. In Russia I not
I loaf on parties, and I go to the remote place, I read verses and I communicate with
People.
I get acquainted with a life!
- For these years you became the professional novelist. Is
Something new?
- Now I on the middle of the new novel "City of a yellow devil".
Bitter so the lampoon devoted to New York, where it has named
Has arrived to beat out money from rich persons for the starving
The Volga region. At me it is the autobiographical novel. On the one hand,
My adventures in 41st year with one little girl. With us
Occurred, it is possible to tell, olivertvistovskie adventures. And
In parallel - I describe my first trip to the United States in
60th years. Year through two after Stalin's death I wrote in verses:
"Borders to me stir. It is awkward to me not to know Buenos Aires and Nju -
York... "That has begun then!
- Still, you have declared openly: I wish to be unsteady, speak there on
The broken... Now you in English read lectures.
- I read, but I, of course, do not know English absolutely. Mine
Spanish is better: has learnt him. And still the Italian. I can quite
To be explained and in French.
- In a mercantile century it is not a shame to ask: and how much to you pay
For lecture in States?
- (The person of the poet lights up zalihvatskaja and an artful smile.) instead of
I will tell! On the American etiquette it is not necessary to ask about it.
- And on Russian - it is possible, though us accustom to an excuse,
Say, "trade secret".
- There appreciate work of the professor...
- In Moscow to you suggested to occupy professorial chair?
- The rector has offered me, having told thus: "Only at us
The salary small ". -" What? "- I have asked. And when it to me
Has responded, to me became so it is a shame with the state, for this
Enormous rupture between earnings of local teachers and
Beggarly "salary" of ours! At all of us it is destroyed, including all
The organisations which spent the evenings of poetry feeding poets. In
This time on my performance in Santiago (Chile) on the area
The Majakovsky was going to from 30 to 40 thousand.
- I look at you - and I wonder: your dynamism, even
nastupatelnost, young ershistost anywhere do not share.
- Many my acquaintances now at a meeting state
Surprise: "You that - were preserved? You do not vary at all with
For years ". I wish to tell to you: certainly, I have passed evolution, and very much
The strong...
- ... From the hooligan to a world celebrity.
- In us, in six-foremen, was a lot of naive. Since the childhood we
Sang: "With songs, struggling and winning, our people for Stalin go".
I somehow at school have asked the teacher puzzly: "What for with songs
To struggle? And what is this a phrase such?. "The teacher has smiled and
Has told: "it is final," struggling ", after all you are going to to become the poet?".
But when it has come round and has understood, that has told superfluous and very much
Dangerous has approached to me and has confidentially asked: "ZHenechka,
Please, speak to nobody about today's our conversation. At
You grandfathers are arrested ".
- You prepared yourselves for a life professionally and physically.
It seems, played football?
- Played with those who then became the professional. We played on
Waste grounds. A ball to me have got to a knee... Who "has grounded" me? Nowadays
It the well-known hockey trainer - Tikhonov. It to me dolbanul,
Certainly, unintentionally. We saw great Russian football with Bobrovym and
Homichem. These are my idols. In our command I was very good
The goalkeeper. Till now I like football. It my passion. It is very afflicted:
At us now bad football. We do not play football, and
Earn money. In the West, especially in England, all the same
Other relation to game. There both earn, and do the good
Football. Remarkably play and receive pleasure. Ours
The football players employed in another's commands for the big money, bones
The there do not protect. Here, supporting a national national team,
To play full force are afraid - spare itself...
- The young command - Bell Akhmadullina, Andrey Voznesensky,
Eugene Evtushenko - were the most popular poets, though Anna
Ahmatova sneered apropos stadionnyh your performances.
- Once, to year in 33rd, well-known French poet Andre
The Jew have asked: "Who now the best poet of France?" He has responded:
"Alas, Victor Hugo". Unfortunately, poets of our generation to these
Time remain the most readable and, by the way, the most liked.
I speak quite sincerely.
- Insurgents have pressed books. The senior generation to read not
Ceases. They will come in Polytechnical 18th to look on
Present Evtushenko. On TV your cycle about poetry was a success.
- Yes such, what even those who wished to remove me from an aether,
Have been compelled to hand over to me "Orfeja". Now our unbridled
Pop-music devalvirovala taste to poetry. They sing monstrous texts.
- And anybody does not have affairs before...
- And what has occurred? Together with censorship we have splashed out and
redakturu. People - and basically teenagers - listen to it these
Senseless and poor texts also echo. They cannot any more
To read Pasternak, Mandelshtama, not speaking about Evtushenko. Taste
At them it is already smeared absolutely. But I cannot agree with
Opinion, that young are already lost absolutely. I act often.
We take a museum of Damask steel Okudzhavy in Peredelkino. It is a pearl!
The remarkable museum of the poet - small, but all time is filled
People. I see, how the poetic audience looks younger.
- I think, your mighty power will load teenagers, as
Electronic music. Tell, how you do without now
Koktebel? In days of old you came with wife Galina Lukoninoj
And by an armful of books on a beach, were disconnected from vanity. And then went to the sea
Also swam away far-far, on envy much...
- I grieve for Koktebel, across Crimea. Madly. Necessarily there
I will go, though I know - I will be very upset: coast in hotels, all
zamodernizirovano...
- There are hills and abrupt voloshinskie tracks, that to a shower
To load and the force to check up. You it is still mighty!
- Know, I began to sleep a little. When I played Tsiolkovsky, in
Its diary has paid attention to one exclamation: "My God,
The person on the average lives 72 years, from them 23 - sleeps. As it is terrible.
It is necessary to sleep less ". And I began to sleep less. I work at night.
But when only 3-4 hours fell to a dream, zamertsala aritmija.
At me the intense schedule. I fly at lecture to Oklahoma and back.
I fly to Europe, to Russia.
- Superstition do not suffer?
- At me on the contrary: I tell beforehand that yet
Has occurred, as though I send to a wave life. I dictate to time the
Will. I am not afraid to tell about the plans.
- Do not weary, inform that yet... But already...
- Just talked to the main director of theatre
Ermolovoj Volodej Andreevym: they at last put my film script
"I thank you for ever", unfortunately, till now not
The put. It is my imagination on a subject of "Three musketeers". But already
Not the young. At me three more film scripts. And as soon as will appear
Money - I am started. There is an arrangement with universities - at
To necessity they will give at once me holiday.
- When the premiere of yours mushketerskoj imaginations is planned?
- It is a musical. The premiere is planned for December. Music has written
The young woman as the composer it still is known to nobody.
Puts Sasha Palamishev. It put brilliantly in due time it
Mine "Brotherly HYDROELECTRIC POWER STATION". It friend Ernest Neizvestnogo, in the past
The scout from shtrafbata. To it already it is a lot of years, but it, as well as Ernest
The unknown person, centaur. Teaches in Theatre Vahtangova school.
Performance will be the sharpest. Both political, and naughty. A comedy
And tragedy - all has intertwined. My elderly musketeers at last
Have understood, that their all life was used by the power. I have gambolled on
To subject of talented people and the power. To them has bothered to be puppets in
Someone's hands. And musketeers rise. In this mine stsenarnoe creation
Leonard Bernstein has once fallen in love.
- In prosaic books Evtushenko is sharp enough
Statements about the power: "the Power not from the God, and from the Devil. The power
It is impossible to improve, as it is impossible to improve the Devil ".
- These abrupt judgements not personally mine, and my characters.
I consider: to any person, including the politician,
It is necessary to give chance.
- To what you the diplomat.
- No, I not the diplomat. If the power to concern with the full
Contempt, it becomes never better.
- How much time we hoped and inspired by promises of the fast
Changes to the best. Also what from this left?
- Unfortunately, now many clever people avoid the power.
At them to it feeling of fastidiousness. They do not wish to soil themselves
The power also leave aside - in a science, in business. But someone after all
Should be engaged in state affairs.
- Here you will go to the power?
- I? No. I have made the business. Has given to so much policy!
Many my verses are overflowed by this policy. I was the deputy
At Gorbachev also I am proud, that I have at least raised the question about cancellation
Censorships as state institute.
I insisted on uselessness of any exit commissions humiliating
Advantage of our people. And they have been cancelled.
- You are not discouraged by steps of the president and parliament on
Resuscitations of the Soviet attributes?
- Two largest errors are made recently.
Returning of the Soviet hymn - not only political, it and
Moral, moral error. It is impossible to build the future, leaning
On such past in which it is impossible to come back. It is impossible to put
The new house on the rotted through base. The second terrible error will be
It is made, if independent Committee on the pardon under
Presidency of disinterested and fair writer Anatoly
Pristavkina will replace with official structure at Office of Public Prosecutor.
Through your newspaper I shout: "It to do it is impossible!" - you once
Have perfectly analysed a political psychosis, which, as
The rule, is put by the power above national benefit. It is pleasant to you
Putin's environment?
- About one of them I will tell particularly because well it I know.
It is Pavlovsk, otjavlennyj the cynic. On a banquet in honour
"The independent newspaper" I have approached to it and have told: "As you, one of
Advisers of the president, have not kept it from a wrong step with
This hymn? Why have not listened to opinion of the best people of ours
Time? "- also what he has responded you?
- It has simply taken out a fig: "Here that you, democrats, receive".
I stood with Mark Rozovsky. If I was the president and mine
The ideological assistant would make publicly such statement, I
Would turn out it with a shame. Our president should look round and
More steadfastly to consider those who surrounds it also who to it advises.
- With the president and the power we have understood. The relation to them -
The public party of your life. And personal? In my opinion, you are successful and
In a life, and in love.
Mitingovaja intonation of the poet is replaced on silent, almost house.
- The sin to complain.
In the novel "do not die before death" names of the three first wives
Evtushenko does not name. But describes them so brightly, that without effort them
You learn. The first - and the most young - Bell Akhmadullina is named gently -
"Liked". Syllable Evtushenko here is ennobled, full of admiration and
Adoration: "We swam in in eyes each other and any more did not come up
Therefrom... "Boundless tenderness and nevertheless the family has broken up.
Why?
- When it could have a child from me, I did not want it.
The child not born on my insisting has taken away from me bolshee -
Love of his mother.
Second wife Galina Lukoninu Eugene has withdrawn at the friend - poet Michael
Lukonina. After rupture the adopted Peter Evgenevich Evtushenko
Remained with Galina Semenovnoj.
- I remember, Moscow cheerfully discussed news: Evtushenko married on
To Englishwoman Dzhan Butler. And how it to you have allowed?
- Also did not allow! I was called by the secretary of Central Committee Zimjanin: "Well
You, have found? We, what l, do not have not enough good girls?
That all of you time of geese tease! "I have risen and have told to it:
"I demand, that you have now apologised before me for the tone. I not
The Englishwoman married, and on the woman whom I like... "Mine
London son Sasha Evtushenko has finished just university -
He lives with Dzhan. The degree job has perfectly written about
Heminguee. Russian knows. Now comes to Moscow, wants
To work in Russia. I rejoice - it acts together with me,
Fine reads verses.
- And than it is occupied Dzhan?
- Translates Russian literature. It has ingeniously translated mine
The story in verses "Hunger in Santiago".
- You happen in England?
- At us with Dzhan one more boy - Tosha, it is sick. And I go in
London, I meet them. By the way, at me good relations with
All wives.
The fourth wife, Masha, the poet has met in Petrozavodsk.
The doctor by a trade, it drove excursions in the summer and has subdued
Moscow serdtseeda.
- Masha is much younger than you. On how much?
- Well also what, what is younger? In love nobody happens is younger,
Is more senior, at least for 30 years. The liking woman always feels in
The man of the child. We quarrel with it more often on discrepancy
Sights at things. In Moscow Masha worked as the doctor in kuntsevskoj
To hospital together with JUlikom Krelinym. It very much helped me in
Editing of the first anthology - at it tremendous sensation
The language nature. Now Masha has got the second education in
Petrozavodsk. To it have allowed to teach in America Russian and
The literature.
- Tell about yours with Masha boys.
- 12-year-old Eugene very artistic, writes verses in English.
Is interested in history, wishes to become the historian. Reads much.
- Means, the American boy grows?
- He studies at the American school, but it Russian boy. We with
By it too it is acted: he reads my verses in English. Younger,
11-year-old Mitja, - the taciturn person, but very impulsive, defenceless and
The crafty. At quarrels with Masha we are reconciled by its reaction.
- What is it all of you quarrel with wives?
- It is natural: I never would marry the woman, which
Looks to me in a mouth and enthusiastically is thrilled. All my wives - large
Individualities. Galina Semenovna, washing the former wife, very well
Knows poetry. At it a strict sight. Having received my anthology "Stanzas
Centuries ", she read the whole week and could not come off. Huge
Compliment for me!
- You met many great people. Why, when to you
Picasso has suggested to choose one of three pictures, that to you
It is pleasant, you have used cunning: "I like yours" Blue more
The period "?
- I really like it "the Blue period". And from
Offered me really nothing was pleasant. It on me
Has taken offence. Just then it was left by the wife with two children, and it
Has started to draw ugly women. The master has been assured: from Picasso
The woman cannot leave. And the woman simply wished to be itself.
- But at you in a drawing room I saw Picasso. Whence it at you?
- To me has presented Nadja Lezhe. Next day I have visited her in that
Settlement the Dignity-pol de-Vans, and to it it is already cunning, that I have refused
From Picasso. And it has removed its subscription engraving of 36th year from a wall
Also has presented to me.
- To you also Walked was generous...
- It at me has drawn the beauty with a horsy on hind legs in
To rack also has presented. By the way, Walked has passed me the letter and the book
For Khruschev. He during that time very much wished to return to Soviet Union.
And just then there was an awful history with artists -
modernistami. All dissuaded Walked. I too have told to it: "you
Too will not expose ". And he has responded me:" it is not important. I want all
Pictures to give to the state. I simply wish to die in Vitebsk ". In
To Moscow I have brought the book and the letter to assistant Khruschev. By the way, in
Donative inscription Walked has admitted opisku. At first it has been written
At it: "to Dear Nikita Sergeevichu with love to the sky and to ours
To the native land ". I have paid its attention - and it has corrected:" to it ".
Assistant Khruschev with neglect has told: "What is it all of them there
From mind poshodili, and you together with them? "Has started to thumb through the book, has found
Flying on the sky enamoured also has told: "It that, Jews? And more
Fly ". I have passed the official and letters of our ambassador in Paris
Vinogradova and Morisa Toreza. Both of them expressed confidence, that
Returning Walked to Soviet Union it will be enormous for
Prestige of our native land. The official has told to me: "Take away this book".
And I have responded: "I can not accept - it is presented not to me".
Some time later I have met Michael Romm, and it me
"Has pleased": "This book Walked now at me". It has appeared at
Historian Lebedev, and when once Romm has marvelled at this
Luxury, that with ease has said: "Yes take to itself". I do not know,
Where now this book.
- Great people make improbable acts. At you I
Has read, that Tsvetaeva was hung up on that cord, which
Pasternak has brought to co-ordinate its belongings when it with the son left in
Evacuation. And as if thus he has said a terrible phrase: "On it
And to be hung up it is possible - will sustain ". They so long corresponded,
Speaking in love. Really Pasternak did not understand the sincere
Marina's statuses?
- I perceive this phrase as discernment of the genius. These words
Have taken off, as though have been dictated from above.
- You write often about necessity of a repentance. At you is
Photo, where you in church at station Winter. In what you would like
pokajatsja?
- I never betrayed anybody, except for myself.
- But on transactions with conscience went?
The poet has responded to this question, besovski laughing loudly, as if
othlestyval the old antagonists.
- When I wrote "Woman's jar" - went on transactions with conscience... You
It wish to tell?
- Yes you that?! But after all you had to dissemble?
- "Poetry - not a peace chapel, poetry - great war".
To live in podtsenzurnoe time and not to dissemble? To disagree on
What editing when at your throat hold rogatinu? War is
War. Sometimes it is possible to give village then to take a city.
- What would you wish readers "MK"?
- That the present poet of the generation was born at last.
Thirty years was not born. After Brodsky was not born any
Large individuality.
Natalia Dardykina.
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